Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

03/20/2008 08:30 AM House FINANCE


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HOUSE BILL NO. 311                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An   Act  making   appropriations,  including   capital                                                                   
     appropriations,    supplemental   appropriations,    and                                                                   
     appropriations  to capitalize  funds; and providing  for                                                                   
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE/ALASKA HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN BUTCHER,  LEGISLATIVE LIAISON,  ALASKA HOUSING  FINANCE                                                                   
CORPORATION (AHFC), introduced AHFC's Budget Summary.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
LES  CAMPBELL,   BUDGET  DIRECTOR,  ALASKA   HOUSING  FINANCE                                                                   
CORPORATION, addressed individual AHFC budget requests.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Project #45379                                                                                                                  
Public Software Replacement                                                                                                     
$1,250,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell explained that the  purpose of the program is to                                                                   
purchase,  implement,  support, and  provide  training for  a                                                                   
software  system  that  will help  manage  the  Corporation's                                                                   
public housing  programs.  The  current software  is outdated                                                                   
and  a  new  system is  critical  to  support  AHFC's  rental                                                                   
housing programs.   A new  system would make compliance  with                                                                   
HUD regulations much easier.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #45382                                                                                                                  
Phone System Replacement                                                                                                        
$450,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell related  the reason for the request:  to replace                                                                   
AHFC's   phone    system   with   a   Voice-Over-IP    (VOIP)                                                                   
infrastructure.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:46:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #45383                                                                                                                  
HR/Payroll Implementation                                                                                                       
$387,900 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell said  the request is to complete  the process of                                                                   
a new HR  payroll function for  AHFC.  The current  system is                                                                   
over  15 years  old and  does  not have  the capabilities  to                                                                   
provide  needed  reports  and  information,  or  capture  the                                                                   
employee  information required.   The  new system will  fully                                                                   
integrate  human  resources,   benefits  administration,  and                                                                   
payroll functions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Project #37918                                                                                                                  
Housing Loan Program - Teacher/Health/Public Safety Housing                                                                     
$8,000,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell explained  that this is an on-going  request and                                                                   
provides  gap funding  to increase  homeownership and  rental                                                                   
units throughout the state.  The  program is designed to help                                                                   
retain  desirable  professionals  in high-cost  areas.    The                                                                   
projected  outcomes  would  include  an addition  of  62  new                                                                   
units, increased  affordability for housing purchases  by low                                                                   
income families,  lower interest  rate on mortgage  programs,                                                                   
and a statewide housing conference.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:48:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #6323                                                                                                                   
Supplemental Housing Development Program                                                                                        
$8,000,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell noted that the request  would supplement federal                                                                   
HUD funds and would be used to  cover costs related to water,                                                                   
sewer,  and   electrical  systems,   as  well  as   for  road                                                                   
construction  to project  sites  and site  development.   The                                                                   
funds are  limited to 20  percent of HUD's total  development                                                                   
cost  per  unit   and  cannot  be  used   for  administrative                                                                   
purposes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Project #6632                                                                                                                   
Low-Income Weatherization Program                                                                                               
$2,000,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                     
$6,000,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell explained the purpose  of the program to provide                                                                   
cost-effective  energy improvements  to  homes of  low-income                                                                   
families.   Weatherization provides  for fire safety  through                                                                   
furnace  and  electrical  repairs,   education,  chimney  and                                                                   
woodstove  repairs,  and egress  windows.    It is  the  same                                                                   
program that was funded in the supplemental budget.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:50:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #6634                                                                                                                   
Senior Citizen's Housing Development Fund (SCHDF)                                                                               
$6,000,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell reported that the  funds are used for grants for                                                                   
municipalities    and    public   or    private    non-profit                                                                   
corporations,  in conjunction  with other  agencies, for  the                                                                   
development  of senior citizen  housing.   Funds can  be used                                                                   
for  the  purchase  of  building   sites,  site  preparation,                                                                   
materials,  construction,  and   rehabilitation  of  existing                                                                   
housing.      Organizations  qualified   to   apply   include                                                                   
municipalities and public or private  nonprofit corporations.                                                                   
Additional  components include  smaller grants for  nonprofit                                                                   
senior  organizations to  pay  for preparation  of plans  and                                                                   
project  feasibility  studies, appraisals,  site  preparation                                                                   
and  other  pre-development  activities.   This  program  has                                                                   
funded 931 units to date.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Project #6347                                                                                                                   
HUD Federal HOME Grant Program                                                                                                  
$750,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                     
$3,450,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell reported  that the purpose of the  request is to                                                                   
expand  the supply  of affordable,  low- and  moderate-income                                                                   
housing and to strengthen the  ability of the state to design                                                                   
and implement  strategies  to achieve  an adequate supply  of                                                                   
safe,  energy-efficient,   and  affordable  housing.     This                                                                   
program has  funded 44 rental  projects containing  818 units                                                                   
and  rehabilitated 373  low-income  homes.   It has  assisted                                                                   
another 315 low-income households to purchase homes.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  requested clarification  about the  number                                                                   
of units  funded by  item Project #6634.   Mr. Campbell  said                                                                   
931.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Project #6342                                                                                                                   
HUD Capital Fund Program                                                                                                        
$3,200,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell  summarized that the  purpose of the  program is                                                                   
to renovate  and modernize  the public  housing rental  units                                                                   
statewide.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Project #6348                                                                                                                   
Federal and Other Competitive Grants                                                                                            
$1,500,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
$3,000,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell  related that  the request is  to allow  AHFC to                                                                   
apply for HUD,  other federal agency, and  private foundation                                                                   
grants that target the housing  needs and supportive services                                                                   
of  low-income  and  special needs  groups  such  as:  senior                                                                   
citizens,  the   mentally,  physically,  or   developmentally                                                                   
disabled, or the homeless.  AHFC  will also apply for energy-                                                                   
related grants  as they  relate to  housing.  When  required,                                                                   
AHFC will  provide the  needed matching funds.   Some  of the                                                                   
funds received  will be  passed through  to local  non-profit                                                                   
sub-grantee   organizations  that   deliver  housing   and/or                                                                   
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:54:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #6350                                                                                                                   
Competitive Grants for Public Housing                                                                                           
$250,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                     
$750,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell  explained that this  request is similar  to the                                                                   
last  request, but  is directly  related  to public  housing.                                                                   
The purpose of the program is  to allow AHFC to apply for HUD                                                                   
and other grants that target housing  needs for low-income or                                                                   
special needs groups.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze noted a project  in Palmer that works with                                                                   
faith-based  groups   for  low-income  weatherization.     He                                                                   
wondered if those  were the types of projects  eligible under                                                                   
this  category.     Mr.  Campbell   replied  that   the  Drug                                                                   
Elimination Program  would qualify under this  category.  The                                                                   
last  project  was  broader  and   could  include  Vice-Chair                                                                   
Stoltze's example.   Vice-Chair Stoltze asked  if faith-based                                                                   
missions were an issue.  Mr. Butcher thought not.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:56:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #6351                                                                                                                   
Energy Efficiency Monitoring Research                                                                                           
$1,000,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell said  that the project would use  AHFC funds for                                                                   
a designated  grant to Cold  Climate Housing Research  Center                                                                   
to  conduct  housing  construction  research,  analysis,  and                                                                   
information dissemination among  the housing industry and the                                                                   
public.   Data gathering  and analysis  is being  continually                                                                   
related   to   energy   efficiency   technology   for   homes                                                                   
constructed in northern building and market conditions.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Project #32526                                                                                                                  
State Energy Program (SEP) Special Projects                                                                                     
$30,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                      
$150,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Campbell  related  that  the  program  utilizes  Federal                                                                   
Department  of Energy  and Corporate  match  funds for  State                                                                   
Energy   Program   special   projects    such   as   building                                                                   
technologies,   Codes   and   Standards,   Wind   and   Power                                                                   
technologies,   renewable  energy   for   remote  areas,   or                                                                   
transportation technologies.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  about the  previous item  Project                                                                   
#6351.     He  inquired   about  the   research  behind   the                                                                   
construction industry  and whether the industry  has embraced                                                                   
it.   Mr. Butcher  replied that  the industry worked  several                                                                   
years  ago to  get  this funded.    The industry  is  working                                                                   
closely with the energy community  to find appropriate energy                                                                   
improvement   solutions   in   various   parts   of   Alaska.                                                                   
Representative  Gara asked  if  they were  federal  receipts.                                                                   
Mr.  Butcher responded  that  they were  corporate  receipts.                                                                   
Representative  Gara asked what  Mr. Butcher's comfort  level                                                                   
was.  Mr. Butcher  replied that he was very  comfortable.  He                                                                   
gave an example of energy efficiency testing in Fairbanks.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:01:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #40068                                                                                                                  
Statewide Project Improvements                                                                                                  
$2,500,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell reported  that the purpose of the  project is to                                                                   
provide funding  to address known  and unknown  conditions in                                                                   
AHFC's housing  stock, the  rental units.   It utilizes  AHFC                                                                   
funds   to  provide   repairs,   deferred  maintenance,   and                                                                   
improvements to  AHFC-owned properties throughout  the state.                                                                   
This  project  will   allow  AHFC  to  keep   pace  with  the                                                                   
deterioration  of existing  components  of rental  properties                                                                   
such as roofs, sidewalks, and  common areas.  It will enhance                                                                   
operations, and  allow quick response  to ordinance  and code                                                                   
changes.   The primary  function of this  fund is  to address                                                                   
those major  or extraordinary work items  identified annually                                                                   
through the Physical Needs Assessments  by the public housing                                                                   
maintenance staff and Asset Supervisors.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Project #41531                                                                                                                  
Denali Commission Projects                                                                                                      
$7,000,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell noted this item is funded by federal receipts.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Project #43076                                                                                                                  
Loussac Manor Renovation - Phase II                                                                                             
$2,336,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell  explained the request  for funds for  a project                                                                   
which would begin  the second phase of renovation  to replace                                                                   
all structures  in  the Loussac  Manor.  The  funds would  be                                                                   
used to replace the housing, following  approval last year to                                                                   
replace the underground utilities  and infrastructure for the                                                                   
entire complex.   Following the completion of  a professional                                                                   
site assessment  that included cost estimates  to renovate or                                                                   
replace the existing structures,  it has been determined that                                                                   
it is not  economically feasible to renovate  the structures.                                                                   
This funding  request  would replace all  structures  under a                                                                   
phased plan that would use existing foundations.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:03:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #43079                                                                                                                  
Prison Housing                                                                                                                  
$1,000,000 SDPR                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell  reported that these Statutory  Designated funds                                                                   
are  for a  statewide  correction  facility/prisoner  housing                                                                   
project.   Following identification  of  a building  site and                                                                   
evaluation   of   the   costs  to   provide   the   necessary                                                                   
infrastructure  and utilities to  the proposed Mat-SU  Prison                                                                   
site, it was determined that the  construction budget allowed                                                                   
under  SB 65  was  not sufficient  to  absorb the  additional                                                                   
costs.   The  Department  of  Corrections has  revised  their                                                                   
approach  and  identified  a   strategy  to  expand  existing                                                                   
facilities at  various locations around the state  and reduce                                                                   
the  size  of  the proposed  facility.    AHFC  is  currently                                                                   
assisting Corrections  with the initial planning  for the new                                                                   
strategy through  a limited RSA and anticipates  the need for                                                                   
additional  spending authority  in  the next  fiscal year  to                                                                   
continue  to  provide planning  and  construction  management                                                                   
services to the Department of Corrections.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Project #45385                                                                                                                  
Chugach View Siding and Window Replacement                                                                                      
$2,500,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell  stated that this  request is funded  by federal                                                                   
receipts.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:04:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #45386                                                                                                                  
Etolin Heights Roofing Replacement                                                                                              
$500,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell  explained  that the project  would replace  the                                                                   
existing  metal roof  on the  Market Housing  side of  Etolin                                                                   
Heights  family housing  complex  in Wrangell,  Alaska.   The                                                                   
roofing  was originally  installed in  1981 and continues  to                                                                   
leak.  Complete replacement is necessary.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze  noted the need  for a roofing  task force                                                                   
due  to the  numerous requests  for roof  repairs around  the                                                                   
state.   Mr.  Butcher  commented that  AHFC  could look  into                                                                   
that.   He recalled  a previous  legislative task force  that                                                                   
looked into  deferred maintenance.  Vice-Chair  Stoltze added                                                                   
that several current projects could use additional advice.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:09:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #45387                                                                                                                  
Etolin Heights Mechanical Replacement                                                                                           
$450,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Campbell  said  that  the request  would  use  funds  to                                                                   
upgrade  heating  systems  at  the  Wrangell  family  housing                                                                   
properties.  This project would  facilitate the conversion of                                                                   
the existing oil-fired boiler  systems at both the Corporate-                                                                   
owned Market family housing and  Low Rent family housing to a                                                                   
cost   effective  heating   system  powered   by  the   local                                                                   
hydroelectric grid,  which is  less expensive to  operate and                                                                   
maintain than the current fuel oil heating systems.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Project #45388                                                                                                                  
Statewide Energy Improvements                                                                                                   
$500,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell reported  that the funds would  address specific                                                                   
recommendations  suggested  in  the  required  energy  audits                                                                   
performed  throughout   the  state.    The   audits  identify                                                                   
specific  improvements that  can be  made to  the housing  to                                                                   
reduce energy consumption.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly asked if  heat pumps will be used in the                                                                   
Etolin  Heights mechanical  replacement, due  to the  limited                                                                   
nature  of hydroelectricity.    Mr.  Campbell explained  that                                                                   
the plan is to use the existing  hot water base board system,                                                                   
but replace  the boilers with  electric boilers, and  not use                                                                   
heat  pumps.   Representative  Kelly  asked  if cold  climate                                                                   
research  has  looked  into  that.     He  requested  further                                                                   
information.     Mr.   Butcher   offered   to  provide   that                                                                   
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:12:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #45389                                                                                                                  
Statewide ADA Improvements                                                                                                      
$500,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Campbell  explained  that  the  funding  is  to  address                                                                   
specific  recommendations suggested  in  the required  energy                                                                   
audits performed  throughout the  state.  Projected  outcomes                                                                   
are  to begin  to address  recommendations  suggested in  the                                                                   
audit,  maintain  federal  funding  by  complying  with  HUD,                                                                   
increase comfort of tenants, and increase unit rentability.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Project #45384                                                                                                                  
Bethel Community Room and Shop                                                                                                  
$2,000,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell related  that the funds would be used  for a new                                                                   
community room in  Bethel.  The project combines  the need to                                                                   
replace  the existing  office/shop  and  provide a  community                                                                   
space for the  117 units of family housing  at Bethel Heights                                                                   
in  Bethel.   An  existing design  that  has been  previously                                                                   
constructed for AHFC properties  in Kodiak, Sitka, and Juneau                                                                   
will be used  that includes a shop area, community  room, and                                                                   
supporting offices.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:13:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell  reported that  the next  group of projects  are                                                                   
requests found in the Mental Health bill.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Project #6359                                                                                                                   
Homeless Assistance Program                                                                                                     
$1,000,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
$500,000 MHTAAR                                                                                                                 
$500,000 General Funds/Mental Health                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Campbell explained  that  the funds  are  for grants  to                                                                   
local  communities/agencies  to   help  develop  programs  to                                                                   
prevent homelessness  by providing assistance to  families in                                                                   
imminent  danger  of  becoming  homeless  or  those  who  are                                                                   
currently  homeless.   Corporate  funds  will  be matched  by                                                                   
Mental Health  Trust Authority  funds and be administered  by                                                                   
AHFC.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze  requested  more  information  about  the                                                                   
definition of  homelessness.   Mr. Butcher replied  that AHFC                                                                   
uses the  same definition as HUD  and the U.S.  Department of                                                                   
Education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Project #6360                                                                                                                   
Beneficiary and Special Needs Housing                                                                                           
$1,750,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell  related  that the program  would provide  funds                                                                   
for   Alaskan  nonprofit   service   providers  and   housing                                                                   
developers  to  increase  housing   opportunities  to  Alaska                                                                   
Mental  Health Trust  beneficiaries and  other special  needs                                                                   
populations  throughout Alaska.   The  program has  developed                                                                   
118 units  since FY 2000.  In  FY 2008, 18 units  were funded                                                                   
for  persons  with  severe  mental  illness  and  development                                                                   
disabilities.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Campbell  shared   the  projected   outcomes:  add   16                                                                   
congregate housing  units for  people with mental  illness or                                                                   
developmental   disabilities,   reduce   recidivism   amongst                                                                   
clients  in  institutions,  provide  supportive  housing  for                                                                   
people  who qualify,  and  provide transitional  housing  for                                                                   
newly recovering alcoholics and addicts.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Project #43318                                                                                                                  
Emergency   Assistance  Grants   for   Mental  Health   Trust                                                                   
Beneficiaries                                                                                                                   
$200,000 MHTARR                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell said that these are  funds for grants to support                                                                   
beneficiaries of the Alaska Mental  Health Trust Authority to                                                                   
prevent loss  of housing that  might occur due  to unforeseen                                                                   
events such as institutionalization.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:17:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Project #45390                                                                                                                  
Housing Trust                                                                                                                   
$2,500,000 MHTAAR                                                                                                               
$2,500,000 General Fund/MH                                                                                                      
$2,500,000 SD                                                                                                                   
$2,500,000 Corporate Receipts                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell reported  that the request is to  create a trust                                                                   
that  would address  two main  issues  in Alaska:  preventing                                                                   
homelessness  and   creating  affordable  housing   for  low-                                                                   
moderate income renters and homeowners.   Funds would be used                                                                   
to assist projects that provide  housing for the homeless, to                                                                   
prevent  homelessness,  and to  create  long-term  affordable                                                                   
housing.  Eligible  projects would include  new construction,                                                                   
rehabilitation, rental assistance and homeless services.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Campbell reported that the  outcomes would be a reduction                                                                   
in  the number  of homeless  persons that  interact with  the                                                                   
social  service system,  a reduction  in the  public cost  of                                                                   
emergency   and  institutional   services   that  treat   the                                                                   
homeless, an expansion  of the community based  mental health                                                                   
system, and a strong evaluation component.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  asked  for  the total  number  of  single                                                                   
family   housing   units   under   Alaska   Housing   Finance                                                                   
Corporation's control.  Mr. Butcher  thought there were 1,400                                                                   
public  housing units.   Mr.  Campbell  clarified that  there                                                                   
were 1,330  in the low rent  program, a little less  than 400                                                                   
in other  programs, and  4,200 in the  voucher program.   Co-                                                                   
Chair Chenault  summarized that there were about  6,000 units                                                                   
total.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly requested a  projection of  the numbers                                                                   
into the future.   Mr. Campbell thought public  housing would                                                                   
remain  consistent and  the voucher  program would  increase.                                                                   
AHFC  is  eligible  to  apply  for  35  more  veteran  units.                                                                   
Representative  Kelly  voiced  concern  about being  able  to                                                                   
sustain  growth  in  the  program.   He  also  mentioned  the                                                                   
pattern   of   Mental  Health   withdrawing   support   after                                                                   
initiating programs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bucher  agreed.  The Mental  Health trust is  now looking                                                                   
at making  5-year commitments.   He provided a  brief history                                                                   
of public  housing.  The voucher  program was in  response to                                                                   
the negatives of public housing.   The number of vouchers has                                                                   
increased  and  traditional  public  housing  has  decreased.                                                                   
Congress has  been very supportive.   The voucher  program is                                                                   
completely federally funded.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:25:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  about the  Housing Trust  funding                                                                   
source.  Mr. Butcher explained  that the Rasmussen Foundation                                                                   
has committed $1  million.  There is $2.5 million  in receipt                                                                   
authority.    There  is  still   a  need  for  $1.5  million.                                                                   
Representative Gara  asked if there  would be HUD  funding in                                                                   
the future.  Mr. Butcher replied that he did not know.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly  asked about  the  "bricks and  mortar"                                                                   
aspect   of  the   program  -   the   participation  by   the                                                                   
foundations.  Mr.  Butcher said that was correct,  as well as                                                                   
funding support  services to help  the homeless stay  off the                                                                   
street.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:26:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Harris commented that  the housing  units are                                                                   
for people  with limited incomes.   He wondered if  there was                                                                   
anything  to address  what happens  when they  are no  longer                                                                   
eligible for the program.  Mr.  Butcher explained the federal                                                                   
regulations   for  qualification.     Representative   Harris                                                                   
recalled  incidents   of  people   who  live  in   government                                                                   
subsidized housing  and who  were making a  decent wage.   He                                                                   
wondered what the incentives were  to encourage people to get                                                                   
out of the program.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Butcher explained that the  voucher program allows people                                                                   
to transfer  anywhere in the U.S.   He noted that  the public                                                                   
housing   authority  checks   to   see   if  eligibility   is                                                                   
maintained.   Mr.  Campbell added  that a  portion of  income                                                                   
goes  into an  escrow  account.   He noted  that  in the  low                                                                   
income   program,  the   case   that  Representative   Harris                                                                   
mentioned  could happen.   He clarified  that the program  is                                                                   
based on  30 percent  of a client's  income.   Representative                                                                   
Harris commented  that high incomes should not  be allowed in                                                                   
the program.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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Representative  Hawker  clarified  that  there is  only  $2.5                                                                   
million in  general funds.  He  noted future expenses  to the                                                                   
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze  disclosed his  membership as a  HUD board                                                                   
member.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  said the  point  is  not to  just  give                                                                   
people  housing, but to  get them  into transitional  housing                                                                   
and into work.   Representative Harris maintained  that there                                                                   
are abuses  of the  system.   Representative Gara  emphasized                                                                   
that  these  are  homeless  people.    Representative  Harris                                                                   
understood  that some  may have  limited  mental or  physical                                                                   
capabilities.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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